【高频】收益率多少?现有规模多少? 

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貌似新来的,这两个问题是必问的。

特别有意思,又特别不好玩,既然是高频提问,本着双向高效的共同目标,所以还是写下本文。

 

一、说收益率

 

曾经,我是有问立答,现在我改了,改为有条件回答,什么条件?愿意互动、互相了解的前提下才回答。

为什么要这样?不就问个收益率吗?是多少就说多少,干嘛要绕一大圈?

 

客观事实是,每人问收益率,其目的都是为了对比,跟什么对比?跟他脑子中记住的其它的收益率对比,那这就问题有些严重了。因为作为非专业群体、甚至不少所谓的专业群体,并没有相对完整的数据,或者不能客观地同维度对比,势必大概率造成错误或片面对比,从而形成误判。所以直接回答有2个大概率的伤害:

1、他大概率错误判断,从而错失这里或别处同类的好机会,伤害他自己的选择。

2、他大概率误解哈匹,从而传出并不符合客观事实的印象,伤害到哈匹的品牌。

 

对比,需要几个相同的维度:时长跨度、组合量级(样本数量)
1、股权FOF,横跨10年、加权7-8年,得找对应的数据,无论是买二级市场(股票市场、期货市场)的公募基金还是私募基金、还是自己炒房,要按这个维度去比较,哪怕5-6年的数据都不合适,得10年,如果没有,就去找公开数据,不难;不想找则我这有数据,可以听听。


2、哈匹股权FOF,底层项目100-300个头部机构精选的高成长PE/VC项目,这么充足的样本数,根据大数定律,其确定性/安全性,如果拿别的比,得同等确定性/安全性,即近似的有效样本数,实在你手上没有近似数据,还有一个简单办法,把你过往所有的成功、失败的全算进去算一个家庭FOF,也许可参照对比。否则没可比性,只讨论好的不讨论差的那就非对称了,也就没有讨论意义的。

我这有一级市场、二级市场、炒房市场非常丰富的数据,各个品类、各时长、各种样本下能到什么水平、风险多少,是很清晰的。

 

了解这些后,再与你大脑记忆中的那些收益率对比,才相对更有意义。

所以,需要互动交流,了解你大脑中记忆的是哪种品类、多久时长、多少样本的收益率,咱们再拿出来对比对比,不迟!

 

对齐比较标准很有必要,否则巧遇和氏璧还以为大石头。因此不愿小花时间互动对齐双方理解的,那就不往下说了,不想有上述2个误解伤害。

一句话:获得好收益不难,难的是长期不间断获得确定性较高的好收益。三个关键词:长期、不间断、确定性较高、好收益

有了较好的共识、共同的参照系,咱们可以谈收益率、尽情地谈。

 

二、说说规模

 

1、担心规模大。有人担心我管理规模过大,没有能力管理更多,经沟通这类主要是以前投资固收那些人,在他们的思维中,平台刚开始、规模还小是安全的,稍微大了就会爆雷,这是他们的丰富经验,而且经过多个验证。这里有2个错误:

1)这是严重的经验主义,没有搞清楚爆雷的本质原因,把前后发生的事情,设想为因果关系。这如同:三次穿红衣服出门都碰到老朋友,就下结论碰到老朋友的原因是穿红衣服。其实根本没有关联关系、更无因果关系。

2)所有性质的私募都归为性质一样,私募证券、私募股权、私募固收、道德风险,认为所有的性质与规律是一样的。其实所有的平台性(非产品性)爆雷,无一例外是道德风险。没有道德风险最多某个产品爆雷、不至于平台爆雷。


这类性质,基本上把自己视为薅羊毛高手,他们不会去通过辨识平台和产品特征去选择,而是简单看看规模是不是超过10亿、20亿……等作为判别标准。如果您属于这类,还是别来了,哈匹每天都在长大,一锤子买卖,还是不做了,哈匹持续努力寻找有辨识力的长期的战友。

 

2、担心规模小。这个担心是有一定道理的,即平台能否持续活下去,因为假设活不下去,即使平台没有道德风险,但后续的存续服务,大概率体验是不佳的。

 

但这里要区分看,如果整个平台运作乌央乌央一堆人,这要谨慎考虑,其实判别的标准非常简单:正面或侧面了解这个公司过往的费用是提前预支,还是按部就班到时点才提取对应的,就能很容易识别。如果预支的,相对危险,因为钱提前花了,后续不发新产品,就没有收入养人继续服务。如果按时提取,股权类产品发行一期十年有收入,何来生存问题。考察很简单,侧面问存量用户,正面查银行流水,很简单,不必猜来猜去的,不必简单问题复杂化。

 

3、评判实力。有人希望以管理规模来评判实力(内心深处的安全性,或者对其它方面了解没充分信心),其实规模与实力没有必然联系,更别说正比关系,前纳斯达克董事局主席麦道夫600亿美金,够大吧?庞氏骗局轰然倒塌,规模大,有三种清晰:1)骗力大 2)实力还行但擅包装 3)实力大。反之规模小未必实力小,至少不能说质量、安全与规模有必然关系。强≠大,大≠强。依靠这样的辨识是很脆弱的,扰人扰己。如果规模是你重要决策要素之一,那还是别来,因为即便是你来了,你欣赏的也主要是规模。哈匹努力寻找有辨识力的长期战友。机构LP那是两说,可能有流程约束,这个另谈。

 

一句小结:谈规模没意义,所以一律不谈,无论上游用户还是下游基金(够你的门槛就行)。只对托管银行报备。
 

 
 
 
 
 
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